Monday, March 2, 2009

Global Warming: Cause Doesn't Matter




Some Japanese scientists are breaking with Al Gore and others who insist global warming is the result of actions made by man.

One of the scientists goes so far as to compare the computer modeling used by the United States and the United Nations to prove that global warming is the result of greenhouse gas emissions to "ancient astrology."

I am not a scientist and such discussions within the scientific community, challenging widely held conclusions, are healthy. But the bottom line to all of this is, it doesn't really matter who is right.

No one could reasonably suggest that the way we treat this home of ours, Planet Earth, is particularly wise. We breath in greenhouse gases that are harmful to our health. We produce Styrofoam and plastics that will take generations to break down - if ever.

We drive where we once walked so we are not as healthy as we once were.

Global warming may be the result of cyclical patterns in our climate. Or it may be the result of farting cows and automobile emissions and factory smoke stacks. It really doesn't matter.

The fact is, even if the computer models are no more accurate than "ancient astrology" (I know, more than a few will probably challenge me on the assertion that astrology is inaccurate) the prudent thing to do, as the first President Bush might say, is to reduce greenhouse emissions and take steps to clean up our planet.

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23 comments:

Anonymous said...

At last, someone using common sense!!
Gary is right, we can argue forever about what and why we have global warming, but surely the critical thing is to do SOMETHING about factors that could contribute to it. The chances are that measures we take could equally be beneficial to us as individuals and to us within out communities.

Anonymous said...

stop blaming and take care of the problem! we can all talk about how it happened. fact is there is a problem, BUT if ALL of us do not help fix it it will never be fixed. how much more garbage can we put in our soil,air and water and think it is not going to matter?

Monaro66 said...

Personally i agree that there could be better management of our environment but i believe the global warming scenario is just another political gimic by various governments to further reduce our personal freedoms and to also legislate more ways to part us from our hardearned money.Maybe the global warming thing is another way to distract us from the real issues that our governments are stuffing up..Am still waiting on the ice age they predicted 20 odd years ago and which many countries used that excuse for new laws and fees etc etc... with regards Monaro66

Anonymous said...

I agree Gary that why it is occurring doesn't matter nearly as much as what are we going to do to address it

Anonymous said...

there is a problem out there and needs to be sorted! stop blaming others and sort it out!!!!!!!!!!!!

maiddy78_1 said...

I M AGREE WITH THE REPORT GARY BAUMGARTEN REPORT BECAUSE THERE IS A CONTROVERSY ON GLOBAL WARMING BUT WE DON,T THINK WHY IS THIS HAPPENING MAKING A POLTICAL ISSUE ABOUT THIS

Anonymous said...

We have to face the truth that our environment is full of loaded waste and the air we breath can affect in out health. We have to take care our mother earth as we take care of ourself. But how can we solve this problem if the Government official didnt care this things all they want to do are eating and to earn more money from there pocket. All the things on this earth are given by God so we have to take care of them ,we dont have to abuse ,what will happened the next generation, well we are very high technology and things are easy to get just like computer. Its better to live the old ages if we can came back, but sad we cant so we have to face the truth.

Anonymous said...

IT ALL MATTERS

Anonymous said...

I wish I could agree with you, Gary. But, it's pretty clear that, if told humans don't cause it, the more thoughtless turds among us will gas up their SUVs and go for a drive to celebrate. Behavioral change isn't going to happen unless we fully understand we're the cause. Which, you know, is true. My guess is someone's paying the Japanese scientists to say this. Some corporation is up their collective hoo hoo. But I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

English is my second language and I am not good at wrighting comments but after reading
I agree with Gary we can blame and argue on the subject of global warming
Now is the time we all should get bussy to look for the solution to resolve isuue of global warming
Poor countries poplution are not very aware of the isue they should be educated of the issue and ask to contribute thair effort towards the slution

Anonymous said...

Lets face it, any man made product that doesnt break down in a compost isnt good for the enviroment. Perhaps we should look at natural fibers like hemp, its strong, renewable, and it breaks down naturally, and can be used in many applications. I dont see how we can make cows non-flatulant, LOL,and they contribute to our food sources. I read an article awhile back about capturing the gas that comes from cows and using it as a source of "natural gas". What happend to that? Wouldnt that reduce the gas release into the atmosphere? How do we get countries who are less concerned about enviorment (China) to stop releasing gases,etc/Also is it fair that we ask others to clean up, when we've had years of toxins dumping into the enviroment? I live near the Hudson River where pcbs have been dumped for years, even the "experts" cant agree on what the most effective way to clean it up is. I find it confusing, which "expert" do I listen to?

Anonymous said...

Global Warming is a Cyclic routine the earth does.....This "Save the Earth" movement is part of the Global Master to plan to impose a carbon tax on the world to fund the international bankers "world army" and to get all nations under the control of a world government...it's an absurd notion to blame breathing and cow dung for global warming....I do agree that we have to do our best and make a strong effort to clean up our ways and stop polluting our environment. We can go green without being a blaming nut job. The globalists are truly scared that we are really going green. If we get off the grid, grow our own food and run our vehicles on abundant alcohol made from one of the many fiber producing plants..They will lose all control of the "sheeple"....

Anonymous said...

Too Many People. Plain and simple. I wonder how many diapers will go into landfills today, how many plastic bottles, how much pharmacuticals and chemical waste will go into the oceans, how much fossil fuel will go into the atmosphere, how much natural minerals taken from Mother Earth that can never be replaced? Think about it. Somethings gotta give.

Anonymous said...

If global warming is not caused by humans, then it's difficult to see how it can be stopped by humans. As Joe Biden said in the debates, it does matter whether you think it is caused by humans or just natural causes.

Carbon emissions by humans have contributed to the increase of carbon in the atmosphere. The increased carbon has increased global warming. The facts are there but a few scientists don't want to acknowledge that for whatever reasons they might have for doing so.

Anonymous said...

If global warming is just part of the cycle of the planet, there is nothing we can or should do. Last time I checked, Al Gore was a politician who's carbon footprint is 100 times the size of the average American. Every generation had weather, ours is the first to call it a calamity.

Deborah Young

Anonymous said...

Gary, yes! You've echoed my thoughts almost precisely on global warming. I really don't care who or what is to blame, frankly, or even if it's really happening.

We are simply dumping too much crap into the air, into the earth and into the water. If the current worldwide fixation on global warming means a reduction in pollution, then I'm all for it.

Anonymous said...

Finally a scientists gets some press in debunking Al Gore's theory. The biggest scam on a Global scale has to be the Global warming hoaks. Even if it were true, that human activity was the main culprit. How will a tax on carbon emissions or (Carbon Tax) do anything other then stuff the fat cats wallets with our hard earned cash?

Global warming now called Climate Change (because temps have actually been decreasing the last year) has more to do with solar cycles. This is proven by the increasing and decreasing temperatures on other planets within our galaxy experiencing similar cycles as this planet. I seriously doubt peoples SUV's are causing mars temperatures to rise. So even buying into the hoax, the carbon tax solution is a fraud.

Taxing CO2 emissions and cow farts will not change solar cycles one bit. Have people become so stupid to believe the laws of nature have changed. Plants thrive on CO2 and in return give off the badly needed oxygen the we all breath.

I suspect that fewer experiments like HAARP that bounce billions of watts of microwaves off the Ionosphere possibly causing ozone holes were curtailed. Along with severe fines levied on Corporate polluters and a halt to clearing of rain forests is a good place to start. Coupled with better/cleaner use of reusable alternative energy sources would do much more to advance a cleaner more stable environment.

Anonymous said...

I'm pleased to see the scientific status quo challenged. The global warming debate has become politicized at the expense of our ability to discern the truth. It has been used as a tool to further the moral agenda of fostering a completely unjustified contempt for humanity and its "ecological footprint."

Every species makes an impact on its ecosystem. It's wrong to wish that we made none. We should be looking for ways to ensure that our impact is positive -- not nonexistent. Global warming and the "green" industry steer humanity in the wrong direction.

Peachy said...

I agree with Gary as well. It doesnt matter WHY....the issue is that it just IS a problem. I am inclined to believe that it's the combination of factors..meaning caused by man as well as climate shifts. Nature is entertwined with man and I dont think anyone can argue that point. Nature affects man and man affects nature. With the population increasing so dramatically now, it makes sense to me to start working for solutions....rather than getting bogged in the politics and debate that really helps noone in the end. Solutions and action helps everyone in the end.

Anonymous said...

While I do agree that the human race needs to be more respectful of our home, I disagree that the cause of global warming does not matter. If this was the case, then why is it such an important issue to some environmentalists and scientists? If we are truly causing some kind of warming trend, then maybe there is something we can do to reverse it somewhat. If we are not doing something on that order, why the hell would we want to change our way of life to do something about it? Why would we need to spend trillions of dollars on a cap and trade system that will only cost the consumer more for the same amount of pollution?

Moreover, the idea that this is just a couple kooky scientists is misleading. There is a great deal of researchers who have told me personally that they is no way, right now at least, to say what has caused some of the rising temperatures. That doesn't mean that it's not us and our carbon, but rather the carbon signal in the change in temperature is just too small to resolve given our current technologies. It is quite believable, based on simple spectroscopic principles, that carbon is causing an increased absorption of IR radiation and therefore temperature due to Kirchoff's Law, but we may or may not be dealing with a 'simple' system in climate. It is very hard to tell what is happening with a good enough amount of certainty in many cases.

And even more than that, there is very little consensus on what will bring temperatures back down, or if they can even be brought back down. It would seem logical that taking carbon out of the atmosphere or slowing is rate of emission would cause such an effect, but low dimensional models have shown in the past year that similar, simpler climate systems 'remember' that the carbon was there. So you have to take a lot more carbon out of the climate system than you put in to get the reverse effect. This is known as hysteresis and is seen in a great deal of system, much less complex than climate, throughout nature.

All in all, this attitude of 'let's do something no matter what' is rather cavalier and arrogant given the amount of actual scientific information we have on how climate changes over time, especially on time scales that are no where geological. For all we know, all the temperature increases we have seen as fluctuations in a larger signal that averages out on a time scales of hundreds of years. It's very hard to tell. But to do something blindly to 'affect' this problem would be worse as is testament by the hundreds of ecological projects that our and other governments have undertaken that have hurt ecosystems more than they have helped. The Mississippi Delta is the big one that comes to my mind.

So I say it does matter because it is very easy to make something worse, even if you have good intentions.

Aaron Rury

Anonymous said...

COUGHjunkscience.

Gordon Wagner

nancy bas mo 3agram said...

: I do believe that global warming is an issue that is being blown out of proportion. Government agencies are feeding off of concerned tree-huggers and sabotaging small minds to "go green" to go along with Al Gore. Why?
No one is exactly sure but obviously there is some benefit behind this. Yes, global warming is an issue, but not one in which we blame humans entirely on. Not to say that humans have been treating our planet kindly, but we cannot say that we are all going to die in 30 years because we have been firing up our Hummer's. Nature has proven in such cases that temperatures rising and falling have been present and are continuing, such as El Nino and ice ages. Earth has its cycles and we are merely going one of the warmer ones. In short, Earth is going through a cycle, and we are contributing, all though not in a major way, though we can do something about it.

Anonymous said...

Yes - plants thrive on CO2 and give back precious oxygen. thats all well and good, but, at the same time we are increasing carbon outputs, we are reducing plantlife through massive deforestation.. that means more of the CO2 remains in the atmosphere. comeon!