Friday, May 1, 2009

News Talk Online May 6, 2009: Is The Swine Flu Nature's Way Of Fighting Overpopulation?


Hopefully the dire predictions that the swine flu will become a pandemic won't materialize. But that doesn't mean human beings will be out of the woods quite yet.

If it isn't the swine flu, say many ecologists and biologists, another pandemic could rip across the globe and trim the human population. Mother Nature, perhaps, fighting back against human overpopulation.

One of those who believes that's exactly what will happen, if we aren't careful and don't take steps to avert it now, is Leon Kolankiewicz, a practicing environmental scientist, wildlife ecologist, and natural resources planner. Kolankiewicz has worked at the federal, state, and local levels in government and for the non-profit and private environmental consulting sectors. In different positions, his efforts have encompassed analysis, advocacy, field research, resource management, and education.

"If they could speak, what would germs call millions of weakened, malnourished people living in overcrowded conditions?" Kolankiewicz asks, then answers: "A feast."


Danielle said...

... Perhaps Leon Kolankiewicz is right. Humans are pretty arrogant in beleiving we're top of the food chain.

THE LonesomeDove said...

Give the swine flu a rest and let the little piggy go wee wee wee all the way home!

Human beings are at the top of nature's food chain and in my opinion, it’s individuals like Leon Kolankiewicz that are arrogant and self-important by actually believing that nature hasn't been in complete control all along. Bubonic plague, smallpox, measles, tuberculosis, cancer, cholera, Hong Kong flu, the AIDS virus, seasonal flu that, in bloom, kills an average of 300-400 people a day every year and the swine flu pandemic of 2009? Why has the United States of America cast itself in the role of a third world country and allowed a historically inept WHO brew such a tempest in our teapot?

More to the point, there has been a recent rash of murders in this country, including police officers, committed by illegal aliens, but the government didn’t dare mention closing our borders despite numerous deaths, because of course, that would be racist! But lest we forget, oh screw it - we already did – every OTHER country in the world has closed borders. No, that was never an option until ONE 23-month old Mexican citizen died from swine flu. Of course, irrational talk about closing our Southern border was quickly hushed when the brilliant minds in Washington realized that closing our borders would never contain a “pandemic”, but foregoing air travel, mass transit and bankrupting those industries is. So much for intelligent advice from the highest government levels...

The reality is that nature is cyclical... with or without attempted human intervention by ecologists, environmentalists, "natural resource planners", undeserving Nobel Prize Winners who are getting fat by lining their pockets through the industries they’re building on de-bunked global warming theories and ridiculously costly “green jobs”.

Anonymous said...

To answer your title: Yes, of course. But it's not like Nature has this as its intent or anything. I think War is too, by the way.

Danielle said...

I think people need to get a grip and use their common sense... Here is an interesting swine flu reality check:

"Swine flu may sound nasty. As of late Thursday, there are 236 cases of swine flu and eight confirmed deaths worldwide.

But by comparison an estimated 600 people die of tuberculosis, about 1,400 people die from strep and 2,704 people die from a common asbestos-related lung cancer in the United States every year.

Last year the seasonal flu took the lives of 83 children and an estimated 36,000 adults in the United States"

Anonymous said...

Overpopulation is a myth. And now that we have the internet and all of the data available at our fingertips, it is easily proven. Some cities may be overpopulated because so many people want to live there, but the planet is not. Planet earth is fine. Check it out.

Deborah Young

Anonymous said...

I think our own stupidity is doing a more than adequate job of setting us up for a fall in numbers.

John Leonard

Pete Murphy said...

Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life. I'm not talking about the obvious environmental and resource issues. I'm talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty in America.

I should introduce myself. I am the author of a book titled "Five Short Blasts: A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America." To make a long story short, my theory is that, as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space. People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products. This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty.

This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management. Our policies that encourage high rates of population growth are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth. Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth. For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living. This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations. Both were happy.

But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge. It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty. However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases. We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.

The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight third world countries - India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China - as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050.

If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit either of my web sites at or where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like. (It's also available at

Please forgive the somewhat spammish nature of the previous paragraph. I just don't know how else to inject this new perspective into the overpopulation debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.

Pete Murphy
Author, "Five Short Blasts"

Anonymous said...

Well, I think there is another possibility, which is that some of the Few think there are too many people, especially those in populations in demographic decline, who might want to target certain populations for reduction, a demographic/Turko-Mongolian strategy of war. It has been done unconsciously of course, especially in the Columbian exchange, but the possibilities are quite good that if an elite thought the planet was overpopulated and thought they were doing poorly long run in the competition for survival, that then bugs get released.
For example, Zimbabwe is, yes, a "feast" waiting to happen, and the cholera epidemic could be just that.
However, it is also a landlocked country, and former Soviet client state, which means access, and none of the neighboring countries got a waterborne pathogen, cholera of course, which made we wonder if someone was "practicing." I got subtly told to shut up when I wrote a piece about it, which included the observation that 10-15 per cent of the U.S. water supply is vulnerable to cholera by a guy who was supposedly,
a) an infectious disease specialist
b) making a bizarre movie about two Eastern European peasants who were living out a fable of how if you don't keep your mouth shut you die a horrible death.
I wondered if that was a threat, to keep my mouth shut, like this stuff is not an accident. rated in any event, accident or no. Jared Diamond is worried for the same reason; I just worry someone who is worried is goin to give things a 12 Monkeys kind of push.

Don Rich

Anonymous said...

Overpopulation is not a topic that many people are familiar with, and so they dont really know enough about it. It has been starring us in the face for several decades.. but we have all been too busy !!

If you dont believe in overpopulation then you better think again, because it is already affecting the way that you live and the conditions in which you live. One only has to glance at the UN figures to begin to understand the scale of the problem (www. and or the national geographic cover .

There are also a number of international organisations like UNFPA, PAI (as well as forums like mine: overpopulation action network forum on facebook) who are trying to raise public awareness. Check them out