Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Drop The Birth Certificate Fight; Concentrate On Real Issues


Born in the USA

Either officials in Hawaii are putting their reputations and their jobs on the line as part of a massive conspiracy to cover up the fact that Barack Obama isn't qualified to be president of the United States or he was, indeed, born in the USA.

Once again, the state's top health official has issued a brief statement affirming that the record indicates that Obama was, indeed, born in Hawaii.

"Birthers," who tend to be right wing and who consider themselves ultra-patriotic, will not, I am certain, appreciate the following analogy. But their continued public denial of Obama's birth status is akin to some Muslim who still don't believe Osama bin Ladin was behind the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack. Both groups are desperately holding onto what they believe to be a fact and won't let go. It's like a guy hopped up on drugs who has been mortally shot but keeps coming because he doesn't realize he's already dead. This issue is dead and shouldn't keep coming. Sooner or later, like the wounded drug addict, the argument will collapse.

The point is, the chief justice of the Supreme Court has sworn in Obama after declining to hear an appeal of a lower court's ruling dismissing as having no standing a suit challenging Obama's right to run for president based on his place of birth. Remember, it was the Supreme Court that in 2000 issued a ruling in the Bush v Gore case that decided the outcome of that presidential election. If the birthers are going to reject the Supreme Court's decision about Obama's place of birth then they should have rejected the legitimacy of George W. Bush's election. But they didn't. The nation accepted the decision and moved on.

There are a multitude of serious issues that face the nation right now. Focusing on this sideshow diverts attention from things that really matter.

Give it a rest. Barack Obama is the president of the United States. If you don't like his policies, then challenge them. But like after the 2000 Florida presidential was challenged - it's time to move on.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

lol, well if he would just produce the original birth certificate this issue would be gone. Why does he want to hide it? and why seal it? lol@using yet again another Bush comment. This is about Obama not Bush. Just produce it, it's done!

Anonymous said...

I am not a conspiracy theorist, and I am unsure whether or not Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii, but I would like to see him present his birth certificate just to stop all the controversy that has surrounded this issue so we can see whether or not he is truly qualified to be President. If he would do this, then the controversy would end and we can get on to the business of governing.

IsabellaSays said...

Gary,
To be honest, I never listen to the bullshit the Obama haters sputter daily-- pretty obvious to me that this is a case of sour grapes. If it wasn't this, they'd find SOMETHING ELSE to fuss about.

The sweetest two words spoken this year to date? ; "I Won...."

heheh
great article Gary ;)

No_Strings said...

Gary, you are so wrong on this one, In fact, I have proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vws9fTtQgz4&feature=player_embedded . In this video President obama in fact admits he was not born in America.

James said...

Birth certificate or not, Mr. Obama is not my president. One document does not make the man, nor does it qualify him for any government position. At least nobody has been stupid enough (like former fellow journalist Dan Rather) to fabricate documents which could undeniably be confirmed as fake in an attempt to discredit the candidate. In this case I agree with you Gary..whiners get over it..spend your time developing the next candidate, not wasting more of my grandchildren's money filing useless law suits. Its only three and a half more years back to glory days if you can get a candidate worth his weight in goose feathers to challenge the most expensive President in the history of the United States. The time is past to suck it up and dry your tears. Whiners, move with purpose, not with malice, contempt, and the willfull desire to waste my taxpayer dollar.

Anonymous said...

It's worth noting that the constitution states, "No person, except a natural born citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President. . ."

It does not say that the person has to be born on US soil. Natural citizen has not been defined. There are many people who were born with US citizenship, but not in the US, McCain being one.

Obama, undisputedly, acquired US citizenship at birth through his mother. That would have been true even if he'd been born in Kenya.

Even if the "birthers" proved that Obama was born outside the US, there'd still be a good argument that he meets the criteria set forth in the constitution for President.

Bliss said...

SO.......WHY doesn't BO just produce his records and settle the issue once and for all?

MAYBE......he does have something to hide?

Otherwise why spend about a million dollars hiding everything?

IsabellaSays said...

James said...
Birth certificate or not, Mr. Obama is not my president.
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James?
Are you a US citizen? Because if you are, Obama IS your president. That's just the way it is.

By the way, why, IF you are a US citizen, would you deny that Obama is your president? Do you understand LAW?

Please, I'm looking forward to your response.

Anonymous said...

I believe obama was born in Kenya.

Anonymous said...

I belive that for the most part the "birthers" don't like the idea of an African-American President. This birthplace issue is pure racism.

Roger Fallihee

Anonymous said...

Personally, I hope birthers continue to openly identify themselves. That means that I can immediatley consign them to the category of "lunatic".

Jeanette DeMain

Anonymous said...

If he was not born on U.S. territory, then I think that he would have a problem, like Arnold, but it is a moot point now it would seem, unless there is something really, really weird about who he is, which I have no reason to believe is the case, and it seems a little late now.

Don Rich

Anonymous said...

The original point of that line in the Constitution most people think was to block Hamilton and more generally avoid counterintellignece problems with foreign influence, but that would be much less applicable to Obama even if he had been born outside the United States, which does not of course seem to be the case at all.
The provision itself is reasonable, just not this application, which is a distraction.

fnthngs said...

I couldn't have said it better Gary!!(wink wink) I have thought the same thing about "The Birthers" not questioning Bushes legimate election. Yes, Like Bush Election, it's time to move on like we all have, but until they have something else to try and hang their hat on, they will continue to chew this issue to death!!

Anonymous said...

Here’s Obama’s dilemma in a nutshell (READ VERY CAREFULLY AND DIGEST):

If BHO shows his original long form birth certificate, indeed showing he was born in Hawaii, it will also show his father was American citizen, Frank Marshall Davis, not the Kenyan/British citizen, Barack Obama Sr. While that would allow Barack Jr. to be POTUS eligible as BOTH a “citizen”/“native born citizen” AND an Article 2 “natural born citizen” — that is, born to two American citizens on American soil — it would simultaneously show he is a fraud hiding his real father — an unacceptable political debacle.

If, on the other hand, BHO keeps hiding his original long form birth certificate — while simply repeating, without showing, he was born in Hawaii — he can still CLAIM BOTH he was born in Hawaii AND his father was the Kenyan/British Barack Obama Sr. This would enable Barack Jr. to claim he’s a “citizen”/“native born citizen” but it would mean (if a federal court would ever get around to declaring and thus far no one has standing to bring the suit) that he’s NOT an Article 2 “natural born citizen” and thus not eligible to be POTUS — a legal/constitutional debacle since all acts under an illegal POTUS are void.

So it seems, BHO has elected option one until forced to go option two because for now it looks like no federal court will ever find a plaintiff with standing. (Of course, there’s the additional issue of BHO losing American citizen status if/when he became an Indonesian citizen — that is, IF he returned and was naturalized he would be a legal citizen, but would lose both native and natural born status, and, IF he returned and was not naturalized, he would be an illegal immigrant unlawfully in this country — but we’ll leave that for another day.)

Gary Baumgarten said...

Hmmmm, I DID read carefully and digested ... and now I'm totally confused.

Are you now claiming he was born in Indonesia? I thought the allegation was that he was born in Kenya.

Last night the House voted 378-0 with 55 members not voting honoring the 50th anniversary of Hawaii becoming a state and recognizing Hawaii as President Obama's place of birth. Among those voting in favor of the resolution were Republicans and members of Congress who have been identified as sympathetic to the claim of the birthers.

Interesting!

Anonymous said...

They'll fight even harder now that it's a proven fact, because they have faith they are right.

Sandra Stephens

Anonymous said...

This is not just racism against Obama. There is also an element of racism against asian americans. Note that the officials in Hawaii are japanese americans. A lot of white americans do not accept asian americans as real americans. Hence they will not take Janice Okubo or Dr. Chiyome Fukino's word for it. It's easy for these people to imagine that there is some kind of deep conspiracy surroundling Obama's birth- because in their minds all non whites are suspect anyways.

Anonymous said...

Natural citizen has been defined, several times in fact. What is says is a natural citizen is what the law says it is at the time you were born.

Obama is a citizen because he was born in HI. What nationality his parents were does not matter. He was born on US soil and not of diplomatic parents. Had he been born in Kenya he would not have been a citizen because the rule, when he was born, was that one parent had to be a citizen and have lived in the US for 10 years, 5 of which had to be after the age of 16. Obama's mother gave birth to him at 18. To meet the 5 year rule she would have had to be 21 when she gave birth to him at the minimum.

McCain even though he was born in Panama meets the requirement for natural born citizen because of the law at the time of his birth.

So if the Birthers prove he was born outside the US, his goose is cooked.

Roger, where did you get that piece of racist BS? If I was a betting man I would put my money on the fact that they are constitutional liberitarians.

Anonymous said...

I've read claims that those born in foreign lands can recieve birth certificate from Hawai, in fact
I'm from Ugander born and raised, and when I went to Hawai they gave me a birth certificate, saying that I was born in Honolulu at 12:35PM. There you go.