Tuesday, August 4, 2009

The Difference Between Us And Them

Former President Bill Clinton's surprise and high-profile trip to North Korea to try to win the release of two U.S. journalists sentenced to years of hard labor for illegally entering that country and the plight of three hikers who strayed across the border from Iraq into Iran and who are being held in that country outline the difference between us and them.

While we lament the influx of illegal immigrants into the United States, the worse we do to them when they are caught is incarcerate them for deportation. Many of those who are here illegally are hiding in plain sight. We see them on street corners looking for day labor jobs. Everyone knows that at least a percentage of them are here illegally. But with rare exception, once they are securely in the country, a significant distance away from the border, no one seemingly cares. In fact, there have been cases where undocumented immigrants have been arrested for crimes, have been bailed out and then have committed more heinous crimes while back on the streets. That's right, instead of turning them over to immigration for deportation, they're set free on the streets of America again.

This is frustrating to many Americans, myself included. I favor immigration - but I want it to be by the rules. Those who circumvent the system are taking unfair advantage of those who follow the law, usually subjecting them to a long and tedious process.

But the point of all this is, when we find people in this nation who are here illegally, we treat them humanely. In North Korea and Iran they toss them in prison for years of hard labor. And that's the difference between us and them.

13 comments:

Jay said...

Gary i think your thoughts sum up the way many people feel in regards to these subjects. I wish there was a straight forward solution that we could find....

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you Gary. We treat illegals humanely, including the illegal Aunt of Barack Obama. Does that make us more humane than other countries and their treatment of Americans? Makes one wonder.
I don't see public outcry over the treatment of Amerians in other countries. Have we become so complacent that we just ignore this. Have we become so hypocritical that we only speak out if America treats others poorly?
I have come to the conclusion that Americans are justifying illegal immigration while ignoring the plight of Americas subjected to torture and inhumane treatment in other countries. God help us!

Heidi of Vermont said...

I agree with You on this. I'm in favor of immigration BUT the word ILLEGAL means your not suppose to do something, that what you are doing is breaking the law. We let them stay, give them health insurance, give them everything they need. We REWARD You for breaking the law. Most of us go to jail when we break the law but not when it comes to immigration. This is one difference between us and them . I like the way the handle there immigration status, even if it is a bit extreme.But maybe if we took a stronger stants against illegal immigration. WE wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now

Anonymous said...

How right you are. But the hipocrasy of of letting the immigrants pick oranges in Florida, grapes in California, tobacco in North Carolina, etc., etc., and then throw them out, with american-born children, is is an injustice. America could not operate without immigrants, legal or otherwise, so we need to put up or shut up. Everyone says throw the bum's out, but who going to do these shitty jobs? me? no way, no how!!

Anonymous said...

it is all about ethics and morals...........
We have Jerusalem/Athens based knowledge. what they have i dont know but it is definetly pagan.
The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea’s Prison Camps
Prisoners’ Testimonies and Satellite Photographs
http://www.hrnk.org/hiddengulag/toc.html

Anonymous said...

If we can make a deal to trade him for the two reporters I'm all for it.........save Hillary to trade by the iran hostages - [Iran confirmed Tuesday the arrest of three American hikers who crossed into the country ...1 of 3 U.S. hikers is freelance journalist]
**Humor is my weapon of choice against radical Islam and corrupted politics`** - signed Shemagirl

Anonymous said...

I suspect most Americans feel this way. So, one has to ask, why those same Americans voted for the people who has openly stated they will allow this situation to continue? The same people who will use American tax dollars to feed them, clothe them, house them, school them and pay for their free medical care? If we don't like it, we shouldn't vote for the people who shove all this down our throats.
James Raymond Reese

fnthngs said...

I agree with Gary about the diffence between "Us and Them" is we do treat illegals much more humanly, and in most cases look the other way, unlike most crimes. However, Americans need to realize, and I think most do, that when they break the laws in other countries, they are taking a huge risk of the consquences and should not be so arrogant to think they will be treated diffently. In both situations of the hikers and reporters, they acted "Stupidly".

Anonymous said...

Gary, speaking of Iran, if Iran’s government could have one wish, it'd wish for the ability to overthrow democratic political systems in the world. Then, people the world over would be too terrified to acknowledge that when I hear Iran's cultists parrot the party line—that a totalitarian dictatorship is the best form of government we could possibly have—I see them not as people but as machines. The appropriate noises are coming out of their larynges, but their brains are not involved as they would be if they were thinking about how there are few certainties in life. I have counted only three: death, crackdown, and Iran’s government announcing some snooty thing every day. Let us note first of all that Iran’s government possesses no significant intellectual skills whatsoever and has no interest in erudition, progress, and human rights. Heck, they can't even spell or define "erudition, progress and human rights”, much less achieve them. I know that I'm emotional now, but if Iran’s government would abandon its name-calling and false dichotomies it would be much easier for me to encourage our spirits to soar. Iran’s government has oppressed, harassed and persecuted its own people with the harshest possible manner in the past thirty years, and this attitude is being extended indiscriminately towards the other nations. What do you expect from this inhuman entity? However, I would like to distinguish, it is the Iranian government that carries such attribution of inhumanity and backwardness while Persian (Iranian) people are soundly vice-versa. Sorry for babbling so much, but no group has done so much to twist the truth as Iran’s government idolators.

WorthyOfUrAttn said...

The United States need to abide their own policies rather than sticking their nose in the policies of other countries. The difference is, the United States is recklessly lenient going against their own illegal immigration laws and the illegals realize this, and they take advantage. If an American citizen breaks the law in another country, who are we to bail them out? According to the article, the reporters admitted to their guilt. Defending the reporters is well and good and I hope it works out but being an International hypocrite is an embarrassment!

Anonymous said...

According to Glen Greenwald and NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF of the NY Times, the US does hold and interogate foreign reporters. Al Jazeera cameraman Sami al-Haj was held at Guantanamo for six years. There was little outcry in America.

"In Iraq, we imprisoned Associated Press photographer Bilal Hussein -- part of AP's Pulitzer Prize-winning war coverage -- for almost two years with no charges of any kind, after Hussein's photographs from the Anbar province directly contradicted Bush administration claims about the state of affairs there. " -Glen Greenwald

Ibrahim Jassam is an Iraqi journalist that although an Iraqui court still found no evidence of him being a threat was still held without charges by the U.S. (According to Glen Greenwald and other sources.)

So, I think we don't hear about all of the foreigners that are arrested and aren't given a fair trial in America, but it does happen.

Gwendolyn Glover

Anonymous said...

I vote we leave the three hikers in Iran. If the appalachian trail wasn't good enough for them...

Deborah Young

Tibetan Angel said...

Hi gary, on the differance between us and them regarding North Korea & Irans lock em up policy on illegal immigrants or actually journalists doing human rights stories on border of North Korea and South Korea, and Iran locking up 3 american hikers who strayed too close to the iranian border after leaving a kurdish township in Northen Iraq, im surprised though at the total ignorance of these people who did get taken, for straying, they all knew they were in a danger zone, but chose to ignore warnings, by locals and basic common sense. As an australian, i wouldnt venture near any of these places within a 1,000 km radius, thats commonsense. But on the other hand, locking up stray tourists on Irans border is completley unjustified by the Iranian government. It is obvious to most by now that Iran loves to have prisoners to bargain with the USA, for pychological black mail warfare. North Korea is the same. imprisoning journalists for doing human rights stories unfortunately it is so draconian in this day and age, and its all based on extreme paranoia by these 2 countries, who I have always have had no doubt that they work together because of their mutual hate of the western worlds democratic rights of freedom. In Australia, immigrants including white British & New Zealanders, who commit crimes are actually deported back to their country of origin after they are released, as for political reasons I would say that immigrants are not deported if it is proved they are in danger of being harmed if they are deported to the country they fled. Also the thing that amazes me in Australia, is how the asylum seekers coming here through Indonesia and being intercepted by our coast guards, are taken to christmas island to be processed, many of these people allegedly from Shri Lanka the tamil tigers, Iraqis and Afghanistani's and Pakistanis throw their passports and Identification over board when they see the coast guard coming, so they cannot be correctly identified as being genuine refugees, and most of them are males, they then complain there is no women of their own culture to marry here, because they treat their women so inhumanly they leave them behind when the flee. Its crazy that they even come by boat,as the Pakistani & Arab young fundamentalists come here legally through the airport with student visa's and if they complete a college trade, they can get permanent residency, but i have noticed all my life here, that non of these other cultures will assimilate with white australians, we are not racist, but we do get fed up with being treated like vermin by these immigrants because we dont look like them or follow their customs, all the separate cultures here do not mix with each other, & that is the problem with migrants, they come here for the good financial stablility here, and free medical care, they dont want to mix with the existing australians, and i find this upsetting as i enjoy other cultures, & not all Australians are drunken barbq yobbos, but i am also and outcast if i attend another cultures events, because i am a white born australian. I find it constantly difficult to listen to other cultures whinge about western culture after migrating to a western country that does embrace them, but they treat most white people like vermin, I feel bad saying this, but it is a truthful & sad fact.